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  How do you choose......

  by EC in

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  i was born and raised a jw.... right now i know i am still going through the deprogramming, but in the pit of my stomach i so want to believe in something.

  i don't know if it is because i always have had a regular "schedule" with god, but to leave and not believe anymore to me is very lonely.

  where do you start?

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  As your aware your not alone in your feelings. I am a thinker and upon leaving you are left with a void, it can range from how do I live to what movie shall I watch.

  Personally I have felt very immature for my age because my life has been planned out for me until now. I had no ability to think for myself to make choices etc. I think you go through a process of denial - anger - relief, good and bad emotions.

  Right now I wonder if the bible is from god, if there even is a god? I can now see the witlesses are just another interpretation, unfortunately delivered in a cult like manor. My main advise is to let the conditioning fade before you make any serious spiritual choices. I have just recently read the new testament and was amazed how different it was without the watchtower bias, I still dont think it applies beyond the annointed christians of that day or is even deffinately true, but you may find the answers your looking for in it without someone else telling you what it means to them.

  Hang in there and time will heal you

  Arnie
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  Scriptures to make a JW think?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  i'm looking for scriptures that you believe a doubting jw would read that would cause them to think a bit.

  i have four in mind now: .

  'do not go beyond the things that are written.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  I have to say that the Revelation 19:1 was an eye opener to me! I've just finished my first complete reading of the new testament without bias from the WTS recently, and yet this verse still alluded me, it may have been the version I used, i'm eager to check it now. In any case I just searched the net for online bible's to see it in a few different versions. It really seems to be tying up the great crowd (multitude) from chapter 7 to them being mentioned in heaven!

  For me I know Jesus mentioned he had other sheep not of this fold and that the two would become one flock, so I wonder if the 144,000 and the great crowd are these two that become one and are they the natural jews and the gentiles? Thats how I understood it when reading it. Opinions please...

  Arnie
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  Service Meeting Week Starting January 2, 2006

  by TheListener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  song 5. note: congregations are not to move their service meeting for the week of january 2 to an earlier night unless the circuit overseer is visiting.

  in every congregation, the convention insert should be considered on the service meeting as scheduled.

  if there is a circuit assembly this week, book study overseers should announce the convention location and dates at their regularly scheduled book studies.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

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  my story

  by fordulant in

  1. jw
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  hi, i found this discussion forum and felt a need to tell my story, and prehaps talk to people who have an understanding of what it feels like and means to be brought up a jehovahs witness.

  i was practically born into a jehovahs witness family, there was my mother, my sister and myself, my father (a non-believer) left when i was 3. i can remember my mum telling me that i would never get to school as armagedden would be here before then, then i can remember her saying that i would never get to high school as armagedden would be here.... it was a kind of running theme, mum always lived expecting the end of the world the next day.

  mum re-married when i was 6 and her new husband quickly became an elder in the congregation, i also gained 2 step-sisters and a step-brother, who did not live with us but their mother who was not a jw.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Thanks for sharing your story, and welcome to the forum

  Arnie
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  Salvation not possible after apostles died till the 1900's

  by gumby in

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  jehovahs bigmouth witnesses as we know......preach that salvation apart from them isn't possible.

  evidently, all earnest bible believers had no hope untill jehovahs organisation showed up to lead them there.

  they actually believe they alone are gods instuctors and that all mankind should learn through them alone.. one has to wonder....since jehovah had no visable organisation for nearly two thousand years.....how were christs diciples to benefit?.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Quite right Gumby. What did happen to his organisation from then till the 1900's??? Simple answer there wasnt one. If there had of been how come Russell did not come in contact with it but branched out on his own taking the idea's of the adventists.

  Arnie
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  JWD WAS ABLE TO CONVINCE ME THE PARADISE WAS A MYTH BUT...

  by stillAwitness in

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  the talk given today sounded pretty convincing.

  facts were stated about how our body is designed to live forever (the brain, blood vessels etc) and how all these intricated details about the human body raises us to ask the question: "did not jehovah design us with the purpose of living forever?

  now i've read the threads about how there just would not be enough room in the world for all those people.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Having just read the new testament over christmas for the first time in a complete reading and without watchtower bias, I came to conclude what had bothered me for a long time that it was surely a heavenly hope.

  Also as has been mentioned what was the original purpose for man? Do we really know? Witnesses assume if they (Adam & Eve) never ate of the forbidden fruit man would never have died, but what seems to be indicated is that he would have needed to have eaten from the tree of life, and so all God did was prevent that, so he was always going to die until God gave him the fruit of that tree - which must have been his purpose. So the scripture in Revelation that I think Auld refered to is linking a restoration of God's original purpose but we know these were going to heaven. At least thats how I read it.

  Also one further point, say they didnt eat of the forbidden fruit and lived forever as you suggest (or the Watchtower does at least) then were they to have been ignorant of right and wrong not being aware of their nakedness too, will that be your hope in paradise in line with the original purpose as you see it??

  I really dont think God's complete purpose was fulfilled so we can not catagorically say what it really was can we.

  Arnie
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  I have a Question?

  by Third Eye Open in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi everyone, i am supposed to meet with an elder tonight.

  i met several times with him before going over questions (my mother thinks he will restore my evil thinking).

  anyway we have already gone over all of the basics (1874,1914,607 no answer for this one, the un and everything else).

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Interestingly on the point of inserting the name Jehovah in the new testament or christian greek scriptures as they refer to them, they say that the the original text was changed (makes you wonder what else is too??) And that no two copies are the same. Although the name itself is not known and therefore how can one include it, there are some old testament quotes where the name would have appeared and so I agree with the argument to replace god and lord in those instances but to what? To this name Jehovah they have adopted or perhaps the hebrew letters?

  In either case having just read this portion of the bible over christmas for the first time in a complete sense without their bias, it seems to me to be written for that time only, there doesnt seem to me to be any indication of anything beyond the destruction of the temple, indeed never was anyone told to translate it, if it was supposed to be then surely inspired writters would have to have done this work.

  Arnie
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  Beards are evil, but do you know why?

  by free2beme in

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  as a witness, i knew several men who attempted to grow beards.

  when they did, and attended meetings, it did not take long to be talked to by elders and told, "as spiritual men, they should not display an outward form of rebellion.

  " why was this a form of rebellion?

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Great topic! Like many of you I never understood the reasoning that we couldnt grow a beard as Jehovah had created us to and that we were using man's fashion of shaving??!!

  I got the same reasoning of the hippie explaination, and that why put my wishes above stumbling others etc...well I grew my beard on and off so many times over the years because I simply disagreed with the attitude I was getting. I remember one Watchtower study and it had a picture of a husband and wife and was about doing things so that the unbeliever would see a good example. Well the man in the picture had a goaty which was well groomed and he was neatly dressed, and so one elder answers that its obviously the man who is the unbeliever as he has the beard! Unreal!

  One MS did grow a goaty and got a part on the assembly program, but was asked to do one thing before being included - you guessed it, remove the offending beard!

  Arnie
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  What's Your Pet Peeve At The Meetings?

  by Golf in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  overtime, overtime!

  the thing that was a kill-joy for me was going overtime, just ask my wife and kids.

  my entire day would be ruined.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  I think the only people who get on ok are those that are self righteous or those who can hear things but forget them straight away. I heard all I had to do and when you inevitably cant live up to it the guilt trip starts. At one meeting we heard a talk about making peace with someone not holding a grudge, so I decided to go up to this elders daughter who had moved congregations due to a bust up with my fleshly sister, that was visiting. I started by saying hello and she then stunned me by saying 'why are you talking to me' and then led off in a tarade of abuse at me and my family, I was so gob smacked that I said I was sorry if thats how she felt and it was never my intention to come across as she described, now hows that for heeding the council we had both just 'heard'!

  Arnie
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  How did you overcome the allure of Paradise? Or have you?

  by M.J. in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the biggest reason someone maintains their faith in the wts is because the wts is the "ticket" to paradise earth.. how did you deal with the prospect that the "ticket" salesmen weren't totally reliable?.

  did it cause you to let go of your hope in paradise earth?

  did it redirect it to another hope?.

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  cyberdyne systems 101

  Paradise for me wasnt real for a few reasons, one, my nagging doubts that the scriptures didnt seem to be talking about a paradise at all, two, that I was never going to make it, and three, that if the congregation was an example of how paradise would be with all the politics and guilt that I didnt want to go there anyhow

  Arnie